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Enoch: Book of Jasher and Enoch Revelations

Book of Jasher (Jashar, Book of the Upright or Just man)

Ch. 3 vs. 2
And the soul of Enoch was wrapped up in instruction of the Lord, In Knowledge and Understanding:and he wisely retired from the sons of men, and secreted himself from them for many days.
3... and it was at the expiration of many years, whilst he was serving the Lord, and praying before him in his house, that an angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, Here am I.

  From there he was ordered to appear to the sons of men, in order to teach them the ways in which they should go and the work which they must accomplish to enter in the ways of God.


8. And the Spirit of God was upon Enoch, and he taught all his men the Wisdom of God and his ways.

 Enoch became a King over 130 princes, judges, and kings and taught them Wisdom, Knowledge and the ways of the Lord and made peace amongst them, and peace was throughout the earth during the life of Enoch. He ruled over them for 243 years.




Book Of Enoch  91-93

  (Prophecy concerning time on earth and the end of time to beginning of eternal dimensional interfacing where new earth and heavens are established, in my analysis of what is being said. Notice there is no rapture scenario and you can make out that righteousness will be established ,"every knee will bow..." d . "And ALL mankind shall look to uprightness, and after that, in the ninth week, the righteous judgment shall be revealed to the whole world, and all of the works of the godless shall vanish from all the earth, and the WORLD[system] shall be written down for destruction." )


^1,2 And after that Enoch both gave and began to recount from the books. And Enoch said:)  

' Concerning the children of righteousness and concerning the elect of the world,

And concerning the plant of uprightness, I will speak these things,

Yea, I Enoch will declare (them) unto you, my sons:

According to that which appeared to me in the heavenly vision,

And which I have known through the word of the holy angels,

And have learnt from the heavenly tablets.'

3 And Enoch began to recount from the books and said:

' I was born the seventh in the first week,

While judgement and righteousness still endured.

4 And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness,

And deceit shall have sprung up;

And in it there shall be the first end.

And in it a man shall be saved;

And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up,

And a law shall be made for the sinners.

And after that in the third week at its close

A man shall be elected as the plant of righteous judgement,

And his posterity shall become the plant of righteousness for evermore.

6 And after that in the fourth week, at its close,

Visions of the holy and righteous shall be seen,

And a law for all generations and an enclosure shall be made for them.

7 And after that in the fifth week, at its close,

The house of glory and dominion shall be built for ever.

8 And after that in the sixth week all who live in it shall be blinded,

And the hearts of all of them shall godlessly forsake wisdom.

And in it a man shall ascend;

And at its close the house of dominion shall be burnt with fire,

And the whole race of the chosen root shall be dispersed.

9 And after that in the seventh week shall an apostate generation arise,

And many shall be its deeds,

And all its deeds shall be apostate.

10 And at its close shall be elected

The elect righteous of the eternal plant of righteousness,

To receive sevenfold instruction concerning all His creation.

¹¹ [For who is there of all the children of men that is able to hear the voice of the Holy One without being troubled ? And who can think His thoughts ? and who is there that can behold all the works ¹² of heaven ? And how should there be one who could behold the heaven, and who is there that could understand the things of heaven and see a soul or a spirit and could tell thereof, or ascend and see ¹³ all their ends and think them or do like them ? And who is there of all men that could know what is the breadth and the length of the earth, and to whom has been shown the measure of all of them ? ¹⁴ Or is there any one who could discern the length of the heaven and how great is its height, and upon what it is founded, and how great is the number of the stars, and where all the luminaries rest ?]

12 And after that there shall be another, the eighth week, that of righteousness,

And a sword shall be given to it that a righteous judgement may be executed on the oppressors,

And sinners shall be delivered into the hands of the righteous.

13 And at its close they shall acquire houses through their righteousness,

And a house shall be built for the Great King in glory for evermore,

14d And all mankind shall look to the path of uprightness.

14a And after that, in the ninth week, the righteous judgement shall be revealed to the whole world,

b And all the works of the godless shall vanish from all the earth,

c And the world shall be written down for destruction.

15 And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part,

There shall be the great eternal judgement,

In which He will execute vengeance amongst the angels.

16 And the first heaven shall depart and pass away,

And a new heaven shall appear,

And all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.

17 And after that there will be many weeks without number for ever,

And all shall be in goodness and righteousness,

And sin shall no more be mentioned for ever.

Singing Stars

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together.... 

"This is a rapidly oscillating star, known as an roAp*

 star. It has an interesting acoustic signature that manifests beautifully on the CymaScope "

Convergence

   What if appointed times and seasons actually coordinate with what is known beyond time ;by how we rested in what has been given at a specific mark In time.  Given the choice to listen and receive as spirit /organic beings on this planet.   Dependent on our progress or digression as a whole or fractured society.  Now, I am just throwing this out that because it's on my heart and I want to understand through questioning.  Is the second coming without a place IN time 'as we know it' until we establish who we actually are IN Christ ( through knowing and receiving) and letting Him move through us and refine everything not of His original design. " See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For In Him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in Him, who is the head of all rule and authority." (Col.2 8-10)

   Could it be that the current flow of events is being directed by our thoughts and actions, our will, that allows such global manifestations of devastation or co-creation.  Does anyone think the Father wanted us to have pop idols, hollywood icons, gurus, superficial lifestyles, disease, viruses, degraded landscapes, self obsessed cultures, etc.  These are products of a disfunctional or lower functioning society in the throws of darkness, weakness, and fear that has veiled the Truth.  This has been out of our ( yes I say 'our', because we are all together in this)  own design to function against the Spirit of Life and surrender or be taken over by "our" own want to be glorified in an image that is false. These situations brought into our dimensional landscape would not thrive unless they were given power by us to do so.  One that isn't in harmony with His intention for real relationship with us and as guardians of this land: to protect, honor, and procreate.    I believe gifts are released, talents, witty inventions, etc. that can either be squandered (used to lift up oneself or just unused) or advance us for His Glory and honor. I believe when we see a new technology released on the Earth it was first a spiritual invention and higher truth.  The hunger to exceed the limited body is clear in movies, comics, etc. Is this by some coincidence that there is an inordinate amount of fantasizing lived out through stories, art, media.  Or are we actually being prepared to grip the limitlessness of what our original design was, is and will be if we could all just pay attention and receive the higher wisdom of this age to come.  Where the fullness of time will be made manifest at the ultimate convergence of the unseen and seen.  Let's listen and watch, as Light and Love promotes us to higher learning and reveals what we have all sought and hoped for; beyond any dream, any natural invention.  Let's not be satiated by the things of this world, they will not last... We were CREATED for so much more.      

PAIDEUO, PUR/ A Greek word study: Fire and Judgement actual meanings. By L. Ray Smith

STRONG’s Greek Dictionary of the New Testament, page 219, #4442, pur; a primary word; "fire" (literally OR FIGURATIVELY. Pur is used (besides its ordinary natural significance):

(1) of the holiness of God, which consumes all that is inconsistent therewith, Heb. 10:27; 12:29; cf. Rev. 1:14; 2:18; 10:1; 15:2; 19:12;

(1a) similarly of the holy angels as His ministers, Heb. 1:7;

(1b) in Rev. 3:18 it is SYMBOLIC of that which tries the faith of saints, PRODUCING WHAT WILL GLORIFY THE LORD;

(2) of the divine judgment, testing the deeds of believers, at the judgment seat of Christ I Cor. 3:13 and 15;

(3) of the fire of DIVINE JUDGMENT upon the REJECTERS of Christ, Matt. 3:11 (where a distinction is to be made between the baptism of the holy Spirit at Pentecost and the "fire" of divine retribution; Acts 2:3 could not refer to baptism); Lk. 3:16."

I call your attention to the statement in Strong’s (1b) "In Rev. 3:18 it [fire] is SYMBOLIC, of that which tries the faith of saints,PRODUCING WHAT WILL GLORIFY THE LORD"! (CAPS emphasis mine).

Carefully note that it is not the "believer" who "produces" these glorious things, but it is the "SYMBOLIC FIRE" that produces them. And just Who is this "symbolic fire?" It is, of course, GOD -- "For OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE." (Heb. 12:29)!

Therefore it is GOD who "PRODUCES" qualities in the saints that will GLORIFY HIMSELF! God’s consuming SPIRITUAL fire (remember that "GOD IS SPIRIT" Jn. 4:24) does the "producing," not the saint,

In statement (1) the editor of Strong’s cites seven more Scriptures that are used symbolically and figuratively to demonstrate "the holiness of God, which CONSUMES ALL that is inconsistent therewith." It doesn’t consume their physical bodies, nor does it burn their physical bodies to produce pain, but it "CONSUMES" all that is not consistent with God’s holiness. And these are the things of the heart, mind and spirit! It is not the "body" that needs chastisement and purification, it is the MIND, HEART, AND SOUL that needs purification from unholiness. You cannot burn pride and vanity out of one’s heart with REAL FIRE (besides the advocates of torturing with real fire for all eternity admit that it accomplishes NOTHING). It takes the fire of God’s spirit to burn away evils that have their origin in the realm of spirit.

This teaching is so absolutely elementary that it seems strange to even have to explain it. And yet, many of the greatest minds in theology today have not a clue as to these simple spiritual truths. All over the world Christian leaders continue to teach that the way God will deal with people who have wicked and carnal hearts, minds, and spirits, is to BURN THEIR FLESH IN REAL FIRE FOR ALL ETERNITY! And what, pray tell, does this infinite mountain of eternal pain accomplish? Why it is "justice" cry the high priests of Christendom!

Fire does a number of things:

1. Fire CHANGES things. Fire brings about molecular changes in the materials that are burned. God’s spiritual fire will make changes in our mind, heart, and soul.
2. Fire PURGES. In times past if a building were diseased and rat-infested, they would purge away the filth by burning it down. We are to be purged from all our diseases of sin and carnality. Jesus Christ paid the penalty of sin for us, but now God wants to get at the root and core of what caused us to sin in the first place. We all need desperately to be CHANGED and PURGED.
3. Fire BURNS UP combustible materials that have no value in saving. God will burn out of all of us the straw, grass, and stubble, which represent evil and wrong doctrines, idols of the heart, and philosophies that exalt themselves against God.
4. Fire PURIFIES things of value which we do want to retain. The analogy is used in the Scriptures of purifying gold by fire to make it more beautiful and more valuable. Gold represents the highest doctrines of spiritual understanding such as the Love of God and the Sovereignty of God, and salvation of all.

No one teaches us more regarding the fiery trials of life than the apostle to the nations, Paul. Paul was "revealed, tried, salted, and baptized" in God’s "CONSUMING FIRE," and yet never a single hair on his head was ever singed.

WHEN GRACE IS A VERB

Grace means favor, a gift, to be cheerful, well, happy, graciously, freely, deliverance from danger, and a dozen other benevolent qualities of peace, joy, goodness, and salvation. It is one of those truly wonderful words of blessing. But just how does it operate in "the real world" as we say? A definition does not tell us everything about a word. We can, likewise, define "love" as, a deep, tender feeling of affection. But does that definition tell us how love actually functions?

We learned that "...when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord" (I Cor. 11:32).

Chastening defines how it is that God judges us. Now then, we are about to learn one of the most remarkable spiritual truths in the whole Bible:

"For the grace of God that brings salvation hath appeared to all men , teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world [eon or age]" (Titus 2:11-12).

Here then is the remarkable parallel between God’s judgment and His grace:

God "judges" us by "chastening" us! (I Cor. 11:32)	"chasten," Greek: ‘paideuo’ #3811
God "graces" us by "teaching" us! (Titus 2:12)	"teaching," Greek: ‘paideuo’ #3811

WOW! Do you even begin to understand what you have just read? Whether God "JUDGES" us (and later the wicked world), or "GRACES" us, He does it THE SAME WAY!!

"Judging" is CHASTENING (Strong’s #3811), and "gracing" is CHASTENING (Strong’s #3811). It is the SAME WORD!

"Grace" is not a stagnant feel-good noun -- it is also a verb -- that is, it does something; it accomplishes something; it produces something of great value in the believer.

"Teaching" accomplishes something essential in making man into God’s very image.

This is an absolutely marvelous teaching. God "judges" us by "chastening "(paideuo) us, which means, teaching, training, learning, disciplining, punishing, instructing, and educating. And God "graces" us also by this same "chastening" (paideuo) which does not change meaning from one Scripture verse to another. Notice how other translations render this word paideuo in Titus 2:11-12:

Now it is true that the Greek word paideuo #3811 can also mean "punishment." But punishment is not the main force of this word. Notice that none of the above translations (nor any that I know of) translate this word, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, PUNISHING us that denying ungodliness ..." No, the force of this word is to DISCIPLINE, TRAIN, INSTRUCT, SCHOOL AND TEACH. Let’s at least have the sensibility of a ten year-old. Of what value is "disciplining, training, instructing, schooling, and teaching" if it goes on forever and ever and ever, and while being burned with fire, for ALL ETERNITY? Gee, do we think they will EVER "learn their lesson?" I, of course, speak as a fool.

All of these aspects of paideuo are with a view to amendment, correction, and setting right, not merely punishment for punishment’s sake. A father chastens his children with a view to amendment and correction, not for the sole sake of CAUSING PAIN! Why do we think carnal-minded human fathers are a billion times more noble and merciful in the disciplining of their children than God is in the disciplining (chastening -- judging -- gracing) of HIS children?

There is a need for much repenting in the teaching of this vile doctrine of eternal torment. This doctrine of eternal torture blasphemes the name of our Loving Father. It is heresy on a level with hypobole -- inordinate -- TOO MUCH! It is a damnable teaching. And it is among the filthy trash of wood, straw and stubble that will be purged out and burned out in God’s Lake of Fire from every person who teaches and delights in this most disgusting of all disgraceful theologies of depraved men and women.

Oh yes, there are things that are going to be burned out of existence in God’s "lake of fire," and this deplorable doctrine of eternal torment will be the first to be abolished and death will be the last to be abolished--and so, let it burn ... LET IT BURN!

Remember that Jesus Christ does not change and that He does not respect (have partiality) with regards to persons. With those two thoughts in mind, what is accomplished by the "chastening" of the Lord? He "graces" us by chastening and He "judges" us by chastening. What does it always accomplish? Answer:

"For the grace of God [that chastens us] ... BRINGS SALVATION" (Titus 2:11)!!

And all of this is of God. God judges, God graces, God chastens, and God brings SALVATION!

And I do not want anyone to draw the erroneous conclusion that since we must go through a plethora of trials, tribulations, suffering, and persecution, that all God is interested in is putting us through a living hell.   This is not the case at all.  Each and every trial and persecution that comes upon us is designed to MAKE US SPIRITUALLY STRONG. And with spiritual strength comes PEACE, FULFILLMENT, TRUE HAPPINESS, AND JOY.

http://bible-truths.com/lake3.html

It simply was the time
to wind, curve, slip and slide
where it wants to go, 
just let it grow and celebrate
undefined.

  Movement into forms: rivers, brooks, currents and seas
  then all matters, manners and waves of things:
  spin, dash, dart and dance.
   
 Could be considered graceful,
    maybe just playful and much more than just chance. 

        Being reminded of each other, and it how it all began. 
          A spring that had to spring, a fountain that had to fall, 
            a waterfall that had to burst.
               It simply could not be confined.